In meetings on East Asian regionalism, SIIA chairman Simon Tay joined in the debate about the different roles for the ASEAN+3 and East Asia Summit. The former, which includes China, Japan and South Korea with the 10 ASEAN member states, is approaching its 10th year and has evolved areas of functional cooperation, Prof Tay noted. The East Asia Summit, in contrast, includes India, Australia and New Zealand, and only began last year. It could not displace ASEAN or the ASEAN+3, Tay suggested, but nor should it be written off. Instead, he called for both to develop over time, while ASEAN proceeds with its ambition to create an ASEAN Community and remains the hub for the wider region. Tay spoke in Jakarta at a conference organized by the Japan Economic Forum and the Centre for Strategic and International Studies-Indonesia on 29-30 November, opened by Vice President Jusuf Khalla, and at the 4th East Asia Congress in Kuala Lumpur on 4-5 December, opened by PM Abdullah Badawi.